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[0:07] I'm the thing. thank you. Nice
[0:11] to see you guys. I love seeing
[0:12] you guys. Love to see you
[0:16] Likewise. and I'm excited to
[0:18] talk to you today about your
[0:19] new book, Eros. Yeah. And I
[0:23] have to say, I love this book.
[0:26] I love it. It's It's so much
[0:29] fun to read and you know, last
[0:31] night, I was I was highlighting
[0:32] pages to sort of pick some
[0:35] passages and I have to say
[0:36] there's like 40 pages
[0:38] highlighted in here. So, it was
[0:39] kind of it was it was tough to
[0:41] actually narrow it down and
[0:43] find some things I wanna talk
[0:44] to you about but so I'm excited
[0:47] to talk to you about that and
[0:49] for those joining us live and
[0:51] who will watch this later, my
[0:52] name is Aaron and I'm here with
[0:54] Tammy Arias and Barbara Emrys
[0:55] who are author of this
[0:58] brand-new book called Arrows
[0:59] that you can find wherever you
[1:01] buy and what is the subtitle?
[1:04] The subtitle says, arrows. I
[1:08] returned to unconditional love
[1:11] and and I love the image too
[1:14] cuz you know, it's like the
[1:15] image of turning arrows into
[1:19] roses or stopping the arrows
[1:22] but anyway, so what I was
[1:24] thinking, I can read a couple
[1:25] of passages. You guys can
[1:26] expand on that and then I
[1:29] invite anyone who's watching
[1:30] this live to leave some
[1:31] comments or any questions you
[1:33] have about this book if you've
[1:34] read it and if there's some
[1:37] time at the end, you can ask us
[1:38] questions and and you guys come
[1:40] in of them. So, that being
[1:45] said, I was thinking we could
[1:46] start. I found a passage on
[1:48] page 82. For those of you who
[1:50] actually have a book, you guys
[1:52] don't need to look it up.
[1:57] and It says
[2:03] Well, I think it's on page
[2:05] eighty two. and the passage
[2:07] says, you've created an image
[2:09] of yourself that you believe in
[2:11] and you display it to the
[2:12] world. This image may reflect
[2:14] that truth but it's not the
[2:17] truth. All knowledge reflects
[2:19] the truth. A different degrees
[2:20] of accuracy but knowledge is
[2:23] not the truth. What you think
[2:25] you know about love isn't the
[2:27] truth of love which is why love
[2:29] often seems to make us unhappy.
[2:35] That's that's a Miguel. Okay.
[2:42] It's important to understand
[2:43] that image of ourselves and
[2:46] it's the result of everybody's
[2:49] opinions. It's the result of
[2:51] the domestic issue that we have
[2:53] received from our parents. A
[2:55] little society at school,
[2:57] religion, etcetera, etcetera.
[3:02] We can see that we learn to
[3:05] love the same way that
[3:07] everybody else's love which
[3:10] means of course with conditions
[3:14] but we forget that we are love
[3:20] We incarnate in our physical
[3:23] body. then, we are an
[3:25] incarnation of love. If we're
[3:29] going to mythology, we talk
[3:32] about errors. We can see that
[3:34] we are the incarnation of
[3:36] arrows, Eros is the main
[3:40] character of the story which is
[3:43] ourself and we fall in love
[3:48] when we learn to love the same
[3:50] way that everybody else's love
[3:54] with me. with conditions I love
[3:59] you. If
[4:02] and
[4:02] that's the way we learn to
[4:04] love because everybody around
[4:05] us not in that way.
[4:12] and the worst part is that we
[4:13] learn to love ourselves.
[4:14] exactly the same way and we
[4:17] really believe all those
[4:19] concepts of love That's why we
[4:23] are afraid to love but we wish
[4:26] to love that we take the risk
[4:28] and we pay the consequences
[4:31] because with whoever we are,
[4:34] they love us with conditions.
[4:37] They love us if and because of
[4:41] in the name of love, we
[4:43] sacrifice ourselves. We hurt
[4:46] ourselves just to be accepted
[4:48] and not to be rejected. Then
[4:51] this is the fall of
[5:34] errors, Errors fall into the
[5:34] false love Eros want to come
[5:35] back. Want to redeem itself.
[5:36] and find what Eros really is.
[5:37] Of course, when I talk about
[5:38] errors, I'm talk about you. You
[5:38] are arrows internet and your
[5:39] physical body You are the one
[5:40] who fall deep into the
[5:41] conditional love in that. The
[5:42] one who want to redeem yourself
[5:43] the best you can and the whole
[5:44] book is about that really the
[5:44] most beautiful and romantic
[5:45] story where arrows find himself
[5:46] in because what it really is
[5:47] unconditional love There's so
[5:50] many times in the book where
[5:53] you guys talk about, you know,
[5:55] seeing the way that your father
[5:57] loves you and the way your
[5:58] mother loves you and the way
[5:59] your sister's expressed love
[6:01] and the way you see love
[6:03] portrayed on on TV and the way
[6:04] love is portrayed and it's so
[6:07] easy as children to mimic the
[6:09] love that we see and it's it's
[6:12] not real love. It's a
[6:15] distortion of love but we learn
[6:15] to love that way and of course
[6:18] it makes sense why we find
[6:19] ourselves in all these
[6:20] relationships that create so
[6:20] much drama and heartbreak
[6:23] because we're trying to love
[6:24] the way other people love and I
[6:27] found that such a beautiful
[6:28] thread at the whole book You
[6:32] know, I said a great tragic
[6:35] comedy. the whole journey to go
[6:39] back to our self. As we see the
[6:44] actor, we change faces. we
[6:46] change. so many things and in
[6:48] order to feel safe and secure,
[6:53] Then if we see our own path and
[6:56] remember all what we did that
[7:00] tragic things that we suffer
[7:02] because that kind of comedy and
[7:04] we laugh about ourselves what
[7:06] we did the way we used to be.
[7:08] it that is a is a great story
[7:11] really in the world world we
[7:13] live try to redeem ourselves
[7:16] and redeemed the belief systems
[7:22] the real one which is the cover
[7:24] of the DNA. and the one that
[7:28] comes from society which is
[7:29] that conditional will make us
[7:32] fall in the Bos that we want to
[7:36] save ourself and become what we
[7:38] really have. Once again,
[7:42] You know, I think what we can
[7:44] appreciate just observing life
[7:46] around us is that babies come
[7:48] into the world with a magnetic
[7:51] quality. We're all attracted to
[7:52] them to their to their joy, to
[7:55] their love. They don't have a
[7:56] story. They don't have opinions
[7:58] they haven't figured out, you
[7:59] know, their narrative or their
[8:02] role in life. They don't
[8:05] distinguish between themselves,
[8:08] their body, and the rest of the
[8:10] universe. They are life itself
[8:13] and that's love in action being
[8:16] expressed in everything they
[8:17] do. What happens as we begin to
[8:21] build a narrative and build a
[8:22] sense of ourselves and
[8:25] knowledge takes over is that we
[8:26] think of love as a part from us
[8:28] somewhere out there, something
[8:30] to be gained, something to be
[8:32] one, something to be kind of. I
[8:35] don't know to develop a
[8:38] strategy about how am I gonna
[8:39] catch it, keep it, own it, and
[8:42] we lose that sense of we are
[8:44] love. getting back to paradise.
[8:47] You could say is that
[8:52] unconditional love for
[8:53] yourself. and with that, it's
[8:57] so easy to to share it with
[8:59] with the world unconditionally.
[9:01] Why should we withhold love?
[9:03] that's withholding our own life
[9:05] force and what is it gain us?
[9:09] We need to be a conduit for
[9:10] that life force and that makes
[9:14] a magnetic force to others.
[9:19] Again. Again, which is what how
[9:21] we started. Yup. And it's you
[9:24] know, and I know some of the
[9:26] passages I might have chosen
[9:27] are a little off the deep end,
[9:29] right? Right off the bat but
[9:31] it's also sort the things that
[9:34] I don't know. I guess I'm I'm
[9:35] attracted to. So, the next
[9:37] passage is really about it says
[9:38] from Page I know that
[9:41] unconditional love can seem
[9:43] intimidating, even unachievable
[9:45] for the most part, we're so far
[9:48] removed from Love's intensity
[9:49] which is why we're just talking
[9:50] about that we shrink from We
[9:52] look the other way. We run, we
[9:54] quit. We blame someone else for
[9:56] loving us too much or for being
[9:58] braver and love than we were
[9:59] So, we often fail at important
[10:02] relationships and drive people
[10:03] away or we're unable to hold on
[10:05] to people who have real love to
[10:07] give us It's a beautiful piece.
[10:11] You don't have it and there's
[10:13] not much to say about it except
[10:14] that it's true Like sometimes
[10:16] we want love. We desire love.
[10:18] We want that relationship but
[10:20] as soon as it comes knocking at
[10:21] our door, we're afraid of it.
[10:23] If we want the truth of us and
[10:25] we tend to look in all sorts of
[10:28] strange places because we were
[10:30] taught once again that love is
[10:33] kind of unachievable or maybe
[10:34] not important or maybe even
[10:36] dangerous and I think that the
[10:37] book makes that point and you
[10:39] say you Some passages go off
[10:43] the deep end but I think we're
[10:44] already in deep water when we
[10:47] challenge people's view of
[10:49] love, I think that's where we
[10:51] start. We start in deep water
[10:53] and and you know, it's that
[10:56] view is so supported and given
[11:01] constant confirmation by
[11:03] society by as you say, you
[11:06] know, what we see in movies and
[11:08] books and TV and also I'm just
[11:11] the the models we were shown as
[11:15] children, Our parents may have
[11:17] loved it. each other and us
[11:20] well or they may have been
[11:23] afraid to show too much love.
[11:24] You know, or they may have been
[11:27] confused about love. However,
[11:29] we grew up, we kinda took on
[11:30] those those expressions and
[11:34] those beliefs about love and so
[11:36] this is just an opportunity to
[11:38] sort of question all of that.
[11:39] There's an entire day spent in
[11:41] this series of classes that the
[11:43] book represents on doubt and
[11:44] how doubting what you think you
[11:47] know about love and about
[11:49] yourself is such a useful tool,
[11:53] a learning tool, you know,
[11:54] doubt a little and then see
[11:56] what comes rushing in life
[11:57] usually comes rushing in
[12:01] Well,
[12:03] if you'll see that it is
[12:04] mystery school,
[12:08] Love is the great mystery. that
[12:11] we try to understand that love
[12:15] Mm hmm. But we was involved in
[12:17] so many different opinions. So
[12:19] many attitudes, so many points
[12:21] of view about what love is and
[12:24] in the middle of all that and
[12:26] each one of us will react in a
[12:28] completely different way. Some
[12:31] people will be so afraid to
[12:34] show their feelings. Some
[12:36] people will defend itself
[12:38] against love. Some We just love
[12:41] as a tool to hurt others or to
[12:45] hurt himself. It's some people
[12:48] will see love like a very far
[12:50] from them that they don't have
[12:53] that love that they have to
[12:54] look for love wherever love is
[12:58] If we can see. that. to the
[13:05] cameras, a sacrifice I I called
[13:09] it a human sacrifice. you'll
[13:13] sacrifice yourself to be
[13:14] accepted. Do not be rejected.
[13:18] to sacrifice yourself to please
[13:22] the person of the people that
[13:24] you want to be accepted and you
[13:26] can do almost whatever for that
[13:29] acceptance On the other hand,
[13:32] we sacrifice others in the name
[13:35] of love. because we try to
[13:40] control what love is and what
[13:45] people feel about love. We have
[13:48] all that opinion. That's why I
[13:50] love you. If you let me control
[13:54] you, or I surrender to you,
[13:58] just control it to whatever you
[13:59] want to be hurt me, beat me,
[14:02] whatever but don't leave me
[14:07] That's you. Sacrifice yourself
[14:09] in the name of love. and the
[14:10] other person is empowering
[14:13] because the other one surrender
[14:16] completely and that becomes
[14:18] abuse of that power. It's
[14:20] abusing love to sacrifice the
[14:24] person that you love or you may
[14:26] love and that is not just your
[14:30] partner could be your child
[14:32] could be your sister, your
[14:34] brother could be included, your
[14:36] own parents, especially when
[14:38] they get old If you want to
[14:42] control the way they have to
[14:44] behave in in life, you want to
[14:48] control the neighbor, you want
[14:50] to control the neighborhood or
[14:52] you're afraid to be controlled,
[14:55] you're afraid of the people
[14:56] with authority to use that
[14:58] authority to to hurt you, to
[15:01] submit you and you use that
[15:04] power in order to hurt other
[15:07] people with without knowing
[15:08] that we are in love. so many
[15:12] different ways to see how low
[15:15] it becomes. The biggest demon
[15:19] in our society, the biggest
[15:22] demon outside of us and inside
[15:24] of us. because we sacrifice
[15:27] ourselves even if nobody
[15:30] notices even if nobody knows,
[15:32] we can suffer in silence
[15:34] because we we started out that
[15:39] reminded me that the teachings
[15:41] and the first book of love that
[15:44] we wrote Maybe it's the last
[15:48] century. I think it's the last
[15:50] century. It's that magical
[15:52] kitchen with someone come with
[15:54] pizza and give it to your
[15:57] little piece. If you just do
[15:59] whatever that person want you
[16:01] to do. Is that a starving for
[16:05] love? You will accept it. but
[16:07] you are love. You have to have
[16:10] that. You have love for
[16:12] yourself but for the entire
[16:13] universe, for the entire world,
[16:15] for everyone. It is without
[16:18] conditions. That reminded me
[16:20] that little piece of the book
[16:23] that we write a long time ago
[16:27] There's actually a similar
[16:28] story in this book which I
[16:29] found amazing which is, you
[16:31] know, what I love about the
[16:32] book also is it's sort of like
[16:34] this Step-by-step understanding
[16:38] what what love is and what love
[16:40] isn't and it's a beautiful sort
[16:44] of woven tapestry of
[16:47] understanding the essence of
[16:49] love and that love is
[16:50] everything. It's the force that
[16:52] that covers everything, governs
[16:54] everything and it's the way you
[16:55] describe it is absolutely so
[16:57] beautiful and I think at the
[16:58] end, talk about, you know, if
[17:01] you had a house full of food
[17:02] and you had never ending food
[17:04] and someone comes knocking at
[17:05] your door, offering you food in
[17:08] exchange for a piece of you,
[17:09] you you would say, I don't eat
[17:11] it. I have I have enough but if
[17:14] you if you are hungry and
[17:16] someone came knocking on our
[17:17] door and offered you food in
[17:19] exchange for something, all of
[17:21] a sudden, you would be in debt
[17:23] to somebody and it's really
[17:26] like a metaphor for ourselves.
[17:28] We feel in debt because we
[17:29] don't ourselves and we're
[17:32] searching for someone to love
[17:34] us because we can't do it
[17:35] ourselves and it's a never
[17:36] ending spiral. We think we're
[17:38] starving for what we are and
[17:41] that's the, you know, that's
[17:43] the mind shift that has to take
[17:45] place. You're the conveyor, you
[17:48] know, the supply, the source of
[17:50] love and you think you're
[17:52] starving for it. You want it
[17:54] from some other place in some
[17:56] other way and then of course it
[17:58] leaves you disappointed because
[18:00] people are making deals with
[18:02] you People are saying give me
[18:04] this back in exchange for what
[18:08] I'm, you know, trying to give
[18:11] you or appear to give you but
[18:13] you can only give yourself and
[18:16] it's like I've been nothing.
[18:21] was whatever it is just to feel
[18:23] that you may become something.
[18:25] Mm and you're that way.
[18:27] Everybody agrees with you as
[18:29] well. You're not you don't
[18:31] deserve it. You don't deserve
[18:32] love Not even on love.
[18:38] When someone come and say,
[18:39] okay, for sure. or something.
[18:43] As you can see that perhaps
[18:46] worth it to love and to be
[18:48] loved. they start changing
[18:51] because now you may start
[18:53] loving yourself in a different
[18:55] way. I'm going to say come and
[18:59] say, okay, there's something
[19:01] else is a complete acceptance.
[19:06] of what you really are. but
[19:08] it's all the process you are
[19:11] unlearning You You unlearn the
[19:14] way they teach you how to love
[19:16] you, Unlearn the unconditional
[19:18] love to find out that you have
[19:21] everything already with
[19:23] yourself in that way. The
[19:26] second program, the program
[19:29] that was imposed to you by
[19:30] doctor in Nigeria to make you
[19:34] needy to make to make you feel
[19:36] that it's not possible that you
[19:39] never can do it. Then you'll
[19:41] find out that it's not true. Mm
[19:44] hmm. But what is true is that
[19:46] you are that love you recover
[19:49] that trust in yourself, that
[19:50] confidence in yourself and just
[19:53] start seeing everything in a
[19:57] completely different way Then,
[19:58] when you become something, just
[20:01] try to control others because
[20:02] now you have the power but you
[20:05] something else. then you are
[20:08] free of all that confusion and
[20:11] you're no longer care to be
[20:13] right. You no longer care to
[20:15] impose your will or to make
[20:17] everybody to do what you want
[20:19] them to do because it's not
[20:21] important. finding out that
[20:24] really is important is that
[20:26] information that you have in
[20:28] yourself which means the first
[20:31] program, the real program
[20:36] that make a great great
[20:38] solution. for all of us. So, he
[20:43] just brought up the
[20:44] programming. Mm hmm. Should we
[20:45] get into that? Yeah. I was
[20:47] gonna. Do you wanna talk about
[20:48] that? Cuz I was gonna say you
[20:50] mentioned in the book about two
[20:52] programs in one program you
[20:55] talk about is the the DNA in
[20:58] our body. It's the program.
[21:00] It's itself. Life's blueprint
[21:03] right For us and it controls
[21:04] you know, how we become
[21:07] physical beings and supports
[21:08] that physical being as long as
[21:12] it's alive and breathing and
[21:15] then after that physical being
[21:18] is born. another program begins
[21:20] to take charge which is the
[21:22] society's program which is
[21:24] basically knowledge coming in
[21:27] and telling you what it means
[21:29] to be a human being or how
[21:32] human human beings should act
[21:33] and react to each other and how
[21:36] human beings should feel about
[21:37] each other and how human beings
[21:39] should describe love among, you
[21:42] know, infinite other things.
[21:43] So, I think the best thing that
[21:48] this book accomplishes is
[21:50] giving you a sense of yes, I
[21:52] can marry the two programs.
[21:55] They can actually be at peace
[21:57] with each other. Life's
[21:59] programming and your own
[22:01] programming which is now you're
[22:03] in charge of your parents, your
[22:04] teachers, you know, your
[22:07] spouses. They're not there to
[22:09] program you. You're here to
[22:11] take charge of your own mental
[22:13] program. your responses to what
[22:17] it is you perceive what it is,
[22:19] your body, your senses,
[22:21] perceive all around you and to
[22:23] get that more in keeping with
[22:25] the original program which
[22:27] means you're more in harmony
[22:30] with life itself, not
[22:32] constantly fighting it and
[22:34] saying, no, I can define this
[22:35] better. I know what life is
[22:37] about. This is not a mystery
[22:39] and and constantly confusing
[22:41] yourself taking yourself so far
[22:43] away from your original
[22:46] essence. that you actually
[22:48] think love maybe something that
[22:51] can hurt you and maybe you can
[22:53] use to hurt others That is not
[22:55] something I think anybody
[22:57] reading the book or listening
[22:58] to our conversation right right
[23:00] now wants to perpetuate for the
[23:02] rest of his or her life. Then
[23:06] you can see that with that
[23:08] first program, is rigid is the
[23:13] way it is. That program will
[23:19] control. the human body. not
[23:23] just with the awareness that we
[23:28] have about the human body but
[23:30] everything that we don't know
[23:32] about the body is being
[23:34] controlled by the first
[23:36] program. Then, the first
[23:38] program is is going into the
[23:44] into the development of every
[23:46] organ especially with the nerve
[23:48] system they're in
[23:52] the DNA will force the
[23:56] different organs to release
[24:00] certain substances that we know
[24:01] as a hormones and that change
[24:04] complete everything and it
[24:06] doesn't care what we believe or
[24:08] not. It doesn't care about the
[24:11] second program. It doesn't even
[24:13] bother about the second
[24:14] program. It's just the way it
[24:17] is. If you keep all the changes
[24:20] that happen in our physical
[24:21] body and analysts and you've
[24:25] been childhood together to
[24:28] listen to be a young human, to
[24:29] a reproduction, to grow old,
[24:32] and to be to grow very old
[24:36] until finally leave the basic
[24:38] body but the whole thing is
[24:41] really in the second program
[24:43] there, the whole what we
[24:46] struggle is in the second
[24:48] program is the full of errors
[24:51] Es is working in the second
[24:54] program in order to let go of
[24:58] that that learn from knowledge
[25:01] to use it. the power of thought
[25:02] to see if it's true or it's not
[25:05] true. Whatever we learn right?
[25:07] In that way, we are stepping
[25:09] out step by step and believe
[25:13] less and less that second
[25:14] program until the moment comes
[25:17] that we know that the second is
[25:22] just an illusion is not that
[25:24] real but it's based in reality.
[25:28] but interpretation that we made
[25:31] are not real at all. then we
[25:35] can we can see so beautifully
[25:37] Like I said before, this tray
[25:40] comedy, how Eros is going from
[25:43] the deepest. I'm not to the
[25:48] strong and something to
[25:50] Finally. becomes something else
[25:54] when it becomes something else.
[25:57] That second program hardly
[25:59] help. any power over the main
[26:03] character which is Then when
[26:08] this with all that knowledge,
[26:12] can not can I have that power
[26:16] over errors, errors, to
[26:19] recover. It's divinity by
[26:22] stepping aside and just live
[26:24] life to do what I have to do.
[26:29] arrows. Meaning all of us. Yes,
[26:32] it's been a year. It's been in
[26:33] me even my dog. Well, is that
[26:39] true? But anyway, I don't have
[26:42] a dog that's not worry about
[26:44] the evolution of your dog's I
[26:48] guess the I guess at a certain
[26:50] point, there's a beautiful
[26:51] relationship between the two
[26:53] programs. you know, for most of
[26:55] our life, those two programs.
[26:55] Wouldn't that be a good thing
[26:57] to strive for? you know, mind
[26:59] being in tune with body and
[27:02] maybe giving it some not only
[27:05] attention and respect but
[27:07] service It's a great analogy. I
[27:11] I remember from the book where
[27:12] you talk about, you know, like
[27:15] if there's a bully or school
[27:16] and you're you're being bullied
[27:18] every time you walk around the
[27:19] corner of the hallway, you
[27:21] anticipate coming in contact
[27:23] with that bully and I and I
[27:24] love the analogy between your
[27:26] body and your mind that your
[27:27] body is anticipating what you
[27:31] are gonna narratives. Yeah. The
[27:33] narratives that you're gonna
[27:35] say that that are abusing the
[27:36] body with with the with
[27:39] judgment, with whatever it is
[27:42] and to clean that relationship
[27:44] would be, you know, that is
[27:48] love. That is that beautiful
[27:50] relationship between mind and
[27:52] body. that is that relationship
[27:56] reflects outward to all your
[27:57] relationships. So, this is
[27:59] where it needs to begin. You
[28:03] know, we can see that bully
[28:04] talking to the body. Imagine.
[28:08] Well, I am human in the baby
[28:14] thirteen, fourteen 15 year old
[28:17] that is Timmy is shy. Mm hmm.
[28:21] And have certain obesity and
[28:24] have all those judgments that
[28:27] learn from childhood It is
[28:30] applying it with he or she look
[28:34] in the mirror. and say, look at
[28:38] this. It tastes like not like
[28:42] the physical body and suffering
[28:44] because their body is not the
[28:47] way they want it to be. and
[28:50] they will criticize their body.
[28:52] Oh, that's fat. You're the
[28:54] spirit. you're whatever else we
[28:58] just don't like it then we is
[29:01] it because we love our body
[29:03] with conditions because we
[29:05] learn to love with conditions,
[29:07] Eros is really down in that
[29:10] moment. Is it it needs someone
[29:15] to blame and he's blaming our
[29:17] physical body. The body that is
[29:20] always completely loyal to
[29:22] Eros, completely loyal but he's
[29:25] so mad, so angry. so jealous
[29:28] that it's even start hating his
[29:32] own physical body and that can
[29:35] be so big, so strong that many
[29:37] people just kill themselves
[29:40] because they think that that
[29:42] will that will release from all
[29:46] those judgments that they have
[29:48] about themselves and they
[29:50] sacrificed in some physical
[29:52] body in the name of love
[29:55] because they say, I don't
[29:56] deserve love. Who's gonna love
[29:58] me but it looks like that when
[30:01] I speak like that but you know,
[30:03] all those strong judgments that
[30:05] we use against ourselves
[30:07] there's no compassion. We
[30:10] really hate our body or we just
[30:13] don't like our body and it's
[30:15] because we just don't know how
[30:18] wonderful and beautiful is our
[30:18] body is a what? shape you don't
[30:24] know? then? It's wonderful when
[30:29] we finally have the awareness
[30:31] of what is true that we no
[30:33] longer believe all those
[30:36] opinions that come from the
[30:37] outside to show you the
[30:40] magazines, the way your body
[30:42] should look in order to be
[30:45] accepted by everybody else. If
[30:47] you compare yourself and say,
[30:49] oh no, I'm not like that. I
[30:50] never will be and and we just
[30:56] have this all drama. in our own
[31:01] head. is very interesting to
[31:05] see how Eros can deal with that
[31:08] and just start put it in doubt,
[31:11] whatever they say in order to
[31:16] use the truth just to the right
[31:19] to be himself or herself You
[31:24] know, it could be a liberation
[31:27] that of freedom that comes step
[31:29] by step. It will, it will
[31:32] depends how deep we fall into
[31:35] that conditional love. because
[31:37] the constitutional law is
[31:39] exactly the opposite of love is
[31:42] like a big ocean filled with
[31:44] monsters That monster, there's
[31:47] nothing but opinions. There's
[31:50] nothing but judgments. that is
[31:53] devoting us. It's hurting us
[31:56] but we can say it hurt him.
[31:59] itself. It all those beliefs
[32:02] with all those lies because
[32:04] more than 90percent of our
[32:07] beliefs are lies. It can be
[32:11] really deep life and especially
[32:14] when other people support that
[32:16] judgment that we have
[32:21] It's just like we believe we
[32:24] are not it. from being nothing
[32:26] to be something is a big step
[32:29] in the the redemption of
[32:31] arrows. and finally, you see,
[32:35] okay, I'm not look at that When
[32:37] I smile, I look good in the
[32:40] mirror. If you can start
[32:44] finding something wonderful in
[32:47] your own physical body, you
[32:50] just start appreciating even
[32:51] more to your physical body
[32:53] until the moment that you'll
[32:55] find out that this physical
[32:57] body is really the love of your
[33:01] life. That's when Eros becomes
[33:07] something else. then we can see
[33:11] the devolution. how we get out
[33:14] of all the misery that we
[33:17] decide to live because we
[33:20] decide to live that way with a
[33:23] little help of our friends.
[33:26] Please, our family, our
[33:29] neighbors, school, religion
[33:33] because a relationship, we are
[33:35] sinners. So, definitely well,
[33:37] anyway, we are talking,
[33:40] talking, we could keep going
[33:41] with what society tells us. I
[33:44] think the most transfixed
[33:48] phrase you've ever said in all
[33:50] these years is the that the
[33:53] opposite of love is love. and
[33:57] if people aren't intrigued
[33:59] enough to find out what that
[34:01] means, this is what we're going
[34:03] to keep doing over and over
[34:05] again. We're gonna keep
[34:06] representing ourselves as you
[34:09] know, sort of the instructions
[34:13] to love and we're we're gonna
[34:15] start, you know, keep being
[34:17] confused about how to express
[34:19] our love, how to mend, you
[34:21] know, broken hearts, broken
[34:23] relationships, how to go on
[34:26] with life knowing that you can
[34:28] disagree. you can change
[34:30] dreams. You can end dreams but
[34:32] love doesn't end You know, it's
[34:36] yeah, it's the it's the big
[34:38] piece that all the the
[34:40] religious Talk about the best
[34:44] that is waiting for the little
[34:45] boy to be born in order to
[34:47] swallow it. Well, this is the
[34:50] conditional love. That's that's
[34:52] the it's what we think we know
[34:54] about, huh? Yeah. And and we
[34:57] gobble gobble, huh? And we can
[35:00] go so deep that it looks almost
[35:02] impossible. impossible to get
[35:04] out of that hell because easy
[35:07] as hell.
[35:11] is hell in the different levels
[35:12] of hell. I don't know. Nine or
[35:16] eleven. of hell.
[35:22] with the
[35:23] we started getting out
[35:24] step by step. step by step.
[35:27] Some people don't go that deep.
[35:29] very little but you know, it's
[35:31] like when we talk about our
[35:34] stories, we should ask what
[35:36] level of hell are you right
[35:37] now?
[35:41] how much you love yourself.
[35:44] That's another way to say it.
[35:45] Do you really hate yourself?
[35:48] You just don't like yourself.
[35:51] You are more than a half and
[35:54] half You kind of like yourself
[35:57] a little and see it. It's it's
[36:01] different levels of hell I can
[36:03] say or different levels of
[36:05] conditional love which is
[36:07] exactly the same thing because
[36:08] the opposite of love, right?
[36:11] These conditions become so
[36:13] extreme and so frequent that
[36:15] are so automatic that love is
[36:18] lost. There's you know, it just
[36:20] feels like it's unachievable
[36:23] then when they say saying, is
[36:27] they have to see what kind of
[36:28] love what they're talking
[36:29] about. Yeah. Yeah. You What's
[36:32] that? we do. We That's that's
[36:40] great to taste it. before I
[36:44] wrap it up and ask a couple of
[36:46] questions. I was gonna say if
[36:46] you, you know, you guys talk
[36:48] about minimal chance that I
[36:51] love that little part where
[36:53] like you have the rest of your
[36:54] life to focus on this. You have
[36:55] all the time in the world but
[36:58] why waste a single second? No
[37:01] time to waste, you know, So,
[37:03] the minimal chances, the power
[37:05] of doubt. That's the minimum of
[37:09] chances we have in order to
[37:11] face our own lies and we can
[37:15] start with the little lies to
[37:17] go deeper and deeper into the
[37:19] biggest lies and that's minimal
[37:22] chance The power of god is that
[37:24] true Is that true that I'm so
[37:27] ugly? It starts with that. I am
[37:31] so bad. It's true that I'm so
[37:34] arrogant. Is that that I
[37:37] whatever. Mm hmm. It's the I'm
[37:42] so unlovable. Yeah, we throw
[37:46] that on ourselves all the time.
[37:49] and of course, the greatest
[37:50] teacher, spiritual teacher in
[37:52] the world will give you a
[37:54] minimal chance. They can do no
[37:55] more than that and you have to
[37:57] pursue your own your own
[38:00] paradise from there. It's
[38:03] beautiful. The power of doubt,
[38:06] right?
[38:09] Oh,
[38:09] thank you guys. Okay. It's
[38:11] a great conversation and I hope
[38:15] that was helpful and inspiring
[38:16] to everyone watching this and
[38:20] before we say goodbye, I see
[38:23] one question the question. The
[38:27] second question, it says, it's
[38:29] from Elena. She says, is Eros
[38:33] related Isn't arrows related
[38:35] with the love between a man and
[38:37] a woman?
[38:40] Well, sexual energy which is
[38:43] life's energy. You could say
[38:45] that and this is the the the
[38:47] pure definition of the simple
[38:50] errors that fell into kind of
[38:51] being a symbol instead of being
[38:54] the embodiment of love and that
[38:55] life energy and that's what we
[38:58] all did. We were that
[39:00] embodiment of life energy
[39:03] whether you call it creative or
[39:05] sexual or just pure love but we
[39:09] were that embodiment and then
[39:11] gradually, we learn to become
[39:14] the symbol of it and the symbol
[39:14] of course is distorted. It's
[39:18] corrupted. It's been the cause
[39:22] of our own emotional pain and
[39:24] frustration. getting back to
[39:26] being the embodiment of life.
[39:29] You could say wrap up and
[39:31] matter and bone and blood and
[39:34] the embodiment of life is not
[39:35] an impossible thing. You just,
[39:38] you know, little by little stop
[39:40] investing so much in what you
[39:43] think you know, and the day of
[39:47] the series of classes on arrows
[39:50] represented in this book is
[39:51] about that surrender Maybe the
[39:54] last page of every book, Miguel
[39:58] writes is about surrender
[40:00] because that's ultimately what
[40:01] we do and what are we
[40:02] surrendering? We're
[40:03] surrendering our stories and
[40:06] letting life inform us more and
[40:09] more and more as life is always
[40:12] done and life will always do
[40:13] and the mystery school. In a
[40:19] nutshell in a nutshell and the
[40:22] last question, which I think
[40:24] you've already answered. It's
[40:26] by Elizabeth and says, my
[40:28] question today is how to best
[40:29] deal with systems that exist
[40:31] that were not constructed with
[40:33] love and it sounds like you
[40:37] question them. It sounds like
[40:39] what you were sharing before, I
[40:40] believe. don't believe them but
[40:41] you know, we're we're in a
[40:47] consensual reality. The human
[40:49] dream that presents us with
[40:51] these frustrations all the
[40:54] time. You know, how can we
[40:57] create anything that's not
[40:57] based in love and what we do is
[41:01] we find, you know, our own
[41:03] truth find the authenticity in
[41:07] ourself and that contributes is
[41:08] it, you know, little by little
[41:10] to the authenticity of the
[41:12] human dream and I'm sure Miguel
[41:14] has more to say on that. Yes, I
[41:16] think it's absolutely beautiful
[41:19] That question because we talk
[41:24] about the TP of human which is
[41:26] you and this
[41:30] but it's really also to the
[41:32] entire humanity as one living
[41:35] being because the entire
[41:38] humanity is really the
[41:41] incarnation of errors. It is 7
[41:44] billion people or more. I don't
[41:46] even know and I really don't
[41:47] care how many we are but we are
[41:50] billions and we are only one
[41:53] living being and we are part of
[41:55] that living being just like
[41:58] every cell of your body is part
[41:59] of your body. and every cell
[42:01] can live a part of your body
[42:03] for for a while. But the of all
[42:09] cells is your physical body.
[42:10] Well, the totality of humanity
[42:13] is all the humans together. We
[42:17] are programmed to dream. We are
[42:21] programmed to create stories.
[42:22] We are programmed to fall into
[42:27] conditional love. We are
[42:30] programmed to all of that is
[42:32] not the choice of the
[42:34] individual It's not the choice
[42:37] of just a few people who rules
[42:41] the planet. He's talking about
[42:45] the totality and then the
[42:47] totality. we see that we love
[42:50] with conditions, conditional
[42:53] love controls humanity which
[42:57] means knowledge controls
[43:00] humanity and when we understand
[43:03] that point, we will understand
[43:07] all the injustice that exist,
[43:09] all the violence Josh brands
[43:13] that we understand war. We
[43:16] understand how they need to
[43:19] control all nations because we
[43:22] have the power. If we because
[43:25] we can't control them and how
[43:28] this little nations have to
[43:30] submit and surrender to the the
[43:34] the nations who have more power
[43:35] when it tries to have more
[43:37] power than is not just all they
[43:40] want in one nation, we see the
[43:42] same thing as the here. and the
[43:46] entire world. It's happened in
[43:48] our own city. It's happening in
[43:50] our own state. It's happening
[43:53] in our own family.
[43:58] that Eros is in everyone and
[44:00] it's all of us together. about
[44:05] to change the entire humanity.
[44:08] It takes hundreds, maybe
[44:11] thousands of years but going
[44:15] into the right direction.
[44:17] because if you compare to
[44:20] present time,
[44:24] Then a thousand years ago, the
[44:27] way we live, the way we treat
[44:28] each other is completely
[44:31] different. We evolve. We go
[44:34] from deep intel to a little
[44:37] higher in hell or higher in
[44:41] unconditional love. and as
[44:44] science and technology evolves,
[44:47] we see that that goes into
[44:50] every single human around the
[44:51] world and see the evolution of
[44:54] technology and the evolution of
[44:55] science. In the last three
[44:57] years is amazing. Then, the the
[45:02] last 10 years of the last
[45:03] century, it was huge compared
[45:05] with the other ninety eight
[45:07] years before But this first 20
[45:11] years in this century, You
[45:14] know, we have try to get close.
[45:18] to we can say to the creation
[45:22] of the activation,
[45:23] intelligence, that will be
[45:25] possible. The next step of
[45:28] humanity and the point of view
[45:30] of the mind on the point of
[45:31] view of knowledge Anyway, we
[45:33] are just playing. It's just
[45:36] going into possibilities that
[45:37] could be unnatural but it
[45:40] doesn't matter really What it
[45:41] matters is that we put a little
[45:44] green in order to let everybody
[45:47] know that we can redeem errors
[45:51] inside of us. It's just like, I
[45:56] don't know where the law of the
[45:58] monkeys. We'er a month of
[46:00] monkeys do something things
[46:02] happen. well, with certain
[46:03] amount of humans. go over
[46:06] certain levels, perhaps
[46:08] humanity may change also but
[46:10] we're not in a hurry. We step
[46:14] by step. Anyway, we will not
[46:17] see it in our lifetime. but
[46:20] anyway, we got the right
[46:21] direction and so much to do in
[46:24] our individual lifetimes to
[46:25] make our team better and that's
[46:27] that's what we need to be able
[46:29] to realize not that we can save
[46:32] mankind right now, right At
[46:33] this generation but that we can
[46:37] save ourselves from you know,
[46:38] whatever self destruction that
[46:42] kind of confusion about love
[46:44] creates as Miguel said it it it
[46:48] that dynamic of control and
[46:52] abuses of power take place in a
[46:54] family structure as well. It's
[46:56] not just in the human dream You
[46:59] will see that all those booths
[47:02] will become classics. just like
[47:05] the four agreements because
[47:08] it's a gift that life is given
[47:12] to life and life is using us to
[47:16] write these books You know, we
[47:19] step aside and let life
[47:24] use our brains to create the
[47:26] right words to send it to
[47:28] everyone and let them give a
[47:31] message of unconditional love.
[47:35] A message that will be true in
[47:39] our future. perhaps but we know
[47:42] that right now. If it's true
[47:45] for individuals, that's enough.
[47:49] You know, if you can change
[47:51] your world right now, If it is
[47:53] not just yours but also with
[47:56] the people who lives around you
[47:59] because you Mm hmm. yes, you
[48:03] change your world and you
[48:05] becomes a magnet. because you
[48:08] have something that everybody
[48:11] wish to have. it with. Your
[48:15] point of view. You just give
[48:16] them minimal chance to
[48:18] everybody else to just to put
[48:19] in what they believe. You don't
[48:21] tell them what they have to
[48:23] believe or not. So, just Put it
[48:26] out and they make their own
[48:28] choices. It's not about to
[48:30] control anybody. No, it's just
[48:34] to let know what we believe and
[48:39] perhaps It will make an impact
[48:44] in whoever gave life to that. I
[48:48] really recommend you to buy
[48:50] this book and read it. Give
[48:52] life to those books. If you
[48:55] decide is that what is just put
[48:57] it in the trash? It doesn't
[48:58] matter. We don't take it
[49:00] personally. but it may Just a
[49:05] little interchange the way that
[49:08] you believe about yourself and
[49:10] about everything. Anyway, let's
[49:16] see if Barbara can say
[49:18] something and and I don't get
[49:20] close. Like I say, thank you.
[49:24] Thank you, Miguel for all these
[49:26] years of teaching for the
[49:28] books. for the books that your
[49:31] books have inspired and and the
[49:34] change lives that have resulted
[49:37] and I thank everybody for
[49:39] tuning in because that means
[49:40] they care a lot about their own
[49:42] evolution and and their own
[49:45] little voyage back to paradise.
[49:49] and self love. Thank you. the
[49:53] same sentiment and like you
[49:54] said, there's no rush but why
[49:56] waste a single moment? So, I
[50:00] appreciate you guys taking the
[50:01] time. It's always a pleasure to
[50:03] spend time with you. Thank you
[50:04] so much. Thank you, Erin. Thank
[50:07] you and I wish you guys a
[50:09] wonderful afternoon and
[50:10] everyone watching a wonderful
[50:12] day, evening, and week and
[50:15] we'll chat again soon. okay? So
[50:18] much love.
