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[0:01] OK. So, what did you write?
[0:03] So, I wrote,
"I am horrified with the meat industry
[0:07] because it is the largest,
[0:10] most accepted form of violence
[0:14] on Earth today."
[0:17] "It is the largest, most accepted"--
[0:22] -"form of violence"--
-"form of violence"--
[0:25] -"in the world today."
-Right.
[0:28] Is that true?
[0:40] It's "Yes" or "No."
[0:44] That's a tough one
for the ego.
[0:47] Just "Yes" or "No"
for the first two questions.
[0:51] It takes a lot of stillness to--
[0:57] test it.
[1:04] "It is the largest, most accepted
form of violence in the world today."
[1:09] Is it true?
[1:11] No.
[1:14] Because I don't know
if that's true.
[1:18] So, it's still a "Yes"
for you.
[1:27] So, if I would do The Work
[1:30] on my own, at home,
I would say "Yes."
[1:33] -Good.
-And then I'd have my proof.
[1:37] OK.
[1:38] -So, I'm getting you're still a "Yes."
-Right.
[1:41] -OK.
-Right.
[1:42] So, now, can you absolutely
know that it's true
[1:47] that the meat industry is the most accepted
form of violence in the world today,
[1:52] the largest?
[1:54] No.
[1:57] So, that's that place
for the open mind.
[2:00] -Right.
-After you test it.
[2:04] -Do you want to know the situation
I wrote this sheet out of?
[2:09] -Yes.
-It was--
[2:12] I got an email that showed
a video of undercover footage
[2:20] in a slaughterhouse
in Belgium.
[2:27] And, so, I'm sitting
behind my computer--
[2:29] And these kind of situations
have happened a lot.
[2:36] So, I'm there,
and I'm just sort of--
[2:39] Yeah--
[2:42] horrified,
and I get really angry.
[2:46] And it feels like proof.
[2:49] Yes, it does because
you're seeing images.
[2:53] How do you react,
what images of past/future happen
[2:58] -when you believe this thought?
-I see--
[3:01] Right.
[3:02] Numbers go through my mind.
[3:05] So, for example, I live in
a very small country, Holland.
[3:09] And there was a research
that actually showed
[3:14] that in my country alone
we kill 1.7 million animals per day.
[3:23] -Wow.
-Right.
[3:27] So, what happens
when I see that video?
[3:32] Yes, how do you react,
[3:34] what happens
when you think the thought,
[3:37] "It's the largest most accepted
form of violence in the world today"?
[3:40] I see all the animals
--and it was a horrible video--
[3:45] I see--
[3:47] all the animals
that I don't see.
[3:51] -Yes.
-Right.
[3:53] In your mind's eye,
you see them
[3:56] from the past, alive, and then
you see them in the factory--
[4:01] Right, zillions of them, yeah.
[4:03] So, you see past/future, past/future
past/future, past/future, animals--
[4:10] And then,
[4:12] as you witness that,
you are furious.
[4:15] Yes.
[4:18] -Very much.
-Now, who would you be--
[4:25] Who would you be,
showering that night,
[4:29] or having dinner or whatever--
Who would you be--
[4:33] Find a situation,
right here, right now, OK?
[4:36] Right.
[4:37] So, who would you be
without the thought,
[4:41] "The meat industry is the largest,
most accepted form of violence in the world"?
[4:47] I'd be fine.
[4:48] OK. So, now tell me--
[4:52] With the thought,
you see the images
[4:55] past/future/slaughter,
[4:58] and then you feel furious.
[5:02] -Without the thought, you're not furious.
-Yes.
[5:06] So, what is the cause
of your fury, your anger?
[5:14] The meat industry or--
[5:18] what you're witnessing
in your mind's eye?
[5:21] Definitely what I'm witnessing
in my mind.
[5:25] So, that's not
the meat industry.
[5:28] That is you believing
[5:32] past/future images
in the moment.
[5:36] So, you see
the images of the--
[5:41] cattle in the slaughterhouse.
[5:44] You see that?
[5:45] Is that real?
[5:48] Or is that imagination?
[5:54] You can't have it both ways,
you can't.
[6:00] Not here, now, reality.
[6:05] Reality.
This is first-generation reality.
[6:11] And it is perfect.
And all your needs are met.
[6:17] Everything you need
to be happy is right here, now,
[6:22] and all you have to do
is notice.
[6:26] But it's here now,
whether you notice or not.
[6:30] Other than
what you're thinking and believing,
[6:34] this is a beautiful world.
[6:38] And that never changes,
no matter what.
[6:41] It never changes, no matter what,
it's a friendly universe.
[6:46] You don't have to like it or believe it.
It just waits for you to wake up to it.
[6:54] So, you see the movie
[6:58] and then you feel
[7:02] the feelings.
[7:07] -Yes.
-So--
[7:10] "The meat industry is the largest, most accepted
form of violence in the world today."
[7:17] How would you
turn that around?
[7:30] "Fantasy is"--
[7:35] So, you're suggesting to replace
"The meat industry" with "Fantasy"?
[7:40] Yes. Or "My thinking"--
[7:42] Right. Oh, definitely.
[7:44] My thinking is the largest,
most accepted form--
[7:48] of violence in your world today.
Not our world, your world today.
[7:54] And it just wipes people out.
[7:58] It can wipe out your happy life.
[8:02] That's why there are things
in the world you can do little about.
[8:08] And it doesn't stop you
from trying to change it.
[8:11] Right.
[8:12] But, at least, you know
the cause of your suffering.
[8:14] And you know
that they're not causing it.
[8:17] Right.
[8:19] And it's, there are two ways
of changing things.
[8:23] One is--
[8:26] out of violence and fear.
[8:29] And the other is just sane.
[8:36] -Yeah, right-
-It's just sane.
[8:39] Just don't expect
people to hear you.
[8:43] -Or to get it at the level you do.
-Right.
[8:46] And it's definitely true
that out of that angry--
[8:53] Movie--
[8:54] I mean, I get really,
I get really violent, basically--
[8:57] Yes.
[8:58] And it's been my experience
that that actually is not a productive
[9:07] state of mind
to do anything about, you know,
[9:12] the meat industry itself.
[9:14] It's like, you take you to slaughter
every time you get lost in the dream.
[9:20] Right, right.
[9:21] And there are more productive things
we can do than believing our thoughts.
[9:28] Like, we can do
something about it
[9:33] rather than just--
[9:35] frighten ourselves
once we're awake to what it is.
[9:39] And then, this Worksheet,
as it's turned around,
[9:43] will show you how to deal
with things like this.
[9:47] So, let's look
at Statement 2.
[9:51] "I want the meat industry to stop
being supported by the millions of people
[9:56] carelessly buying bodies
of beings that led miserable lives."
[10:03] So, "I want
the meat industry to stop"--
[10:06] "to stop being supported
by the millions of people"--
[10:10] So, you want the meat industry
to stop being supported
[10:17] by millions of people.
[10:19] Now, the meat industry
doesn't have a choice in the matter.
[10:24] We buy it or we don't.
So, you get what you want.
[10:27] Right.
[10:31] Did you all follow that one?
[10:34] The meat industry
cannot make us buy meat.
[10:37] Right.
[10:39] And what you've written is,
"I want the meat industry
[10:41] to stop being supported
by millions of people."
[10:43] -They have no control over that.
-Mm-hmm
[10:46] It's another thing
I love about this Worksheet.
[10:50] We begin to think clearly--
[10:55] about what we want--
[10:58] and what's possible.
[11:02] So, "I want the meat industry
to stop being supported
[11:05] by millions of people,"
turn it around to yourself.
[11:12] "I want the meat industry
to stop being supported by"--
[11:17] -Me?
-Yeah, you're it. That's it.
[11:22] That's it.
[11:27] Now, give me an example,
[11:30] give me some examples
of how you can stop supporting
[11:35] the meat industry.
[11:37] By stop eating meat.
[11:39] That's one.
[11:46] And I'd say by--
[11:49] supporting
[11:51] other industries and--
[11:54] -Good.
-You know--
[11:56] supporting alternatives--
[11:59] And continue to think it through.
See, this--
[12:05] is the answer--
[12:08] to what you want.
[12:10] But you can't change us.
[12:12] Right.
[12:17] But you can think
in areas that--
[12:22] are so available to your open mind,
if you're not busy dreaming.
[12:28] And you continue to dream.
[12:30] Just know the difference between
what's real and what's dreamed.
[12:36] Those are not real cows,
[12:39] and pigs and chickens.
[12:45] That's your factory.
[12:56] Yeah.
[12:58] What else did you write
on Number 2?
[13:05] Let's see. I wrote, "I want
the meat industry to be revealed
[13:09] as an industry as shameful
as we now look back
[13:13] at the slave industry."
[13:15] OK.
[13:17] So, is that true
that you want them to do that?
[13:30] I think it would help, yes.
[13:33] -So, I'm pretty convinced.
-So, it's really not good enough for you.
[13:38] "I think it would help, yes."
[13:40] No, not good enough for you.
[13:46] Think of the--
[13:50] people who--
[13:53] You have to think it through,
to the people that work there,
[13:57] the people whose families
depend on it.
[14:02] the--
[14:06] Consider it all.
[14:11] Not to change your mind,
but just to educate yourself.
[14:16] We can't just
[14:18] look at something on a screen
and just be miserable.
[14:23] We're more intelligent than that,
when we're not living in fear.
[14:30] We're more powerful than--
[14:34] You are more powerful
than you could possibly imagine.
[14:36] You can't imagine
your brilliance, you can't,
[14:40] because it's cluttered with fake news.
Past/future, past/future, fake news.
[14:51] So, "I want"--
[14:53] "the meat industry
to be revealed as"--
[14:58] "an industry as shameful
as we now look back at the slave industry."
[15:03] Like, this has become
such a conviction.
[15:08] Maybe, it's stressful.
Probably, it is.
[15:11] I feel that it's just this chapter
that we're gonna--
[15:15] be so ashamed about.
[15:17] And I sort of can't wait
[15:20] for that consciousness to--
[15:24] So--
[15:26] -That is where we're at.
-Right.
[15:30] So, let's Work
with your consciousness
[15:34] because, if you can't do it,
[15:37] how can you expect us to?
[15:39] -And you can't.
-That's a good point.
[15:43] So, who would you be,
[15:46] without putting all of that on us
and the meat industry,
[15:52] who would you be
without this thought?
[15:59] I would be fine.
[16:02] So, now let's turn it around.
[16:05] "I want me"--
[16:09] "I want me to be revealed
[16:10] as an industry as shameful as
we now look back at the slave industry."
[16:15] -I can go there.
-Yeah.
[16:17] -I can go there.
-OK.
[16:18] And you keep producing this stuff
and believing it.
[16:22] Now, this stuff in your head,
this past/future, it is produced.
[16:26] You don't produce it,
it is produced.
[16:31] And you can't stop it.
[16:35] But you can know the difference
between what's real and what's not.
[16:39] You can be awake--
[16:41] to the dream, awake to what's
real into reality and what is fake.
[16:48] And once you're awake to it,
the ego will leave it alone
[16:52] and try another trick.
[16:55] But this is your practice.
[16:57] It all becomes just,
"I'm awake to the dream."
[17:05] And, in that,
you're fearless and you're clear
[17:08] and nothing can stop you
from making change.
[17:12] Because you're in touch
with wisdom.
[17:14] Without all this fake news,
[17:16] wisdom.
[17:18] -Yeah, I get it.
-And there's no ego in that.
[17:23] I love you get that.
[17:26] So, "I want me--
[17:30] to be revealed
[17:35] as that industry"--
[17:37] -Right.
-"In my head"--
[17:46] "as shameful as
when I look back at it."
[17:49] I'm a slave to that industry.
[17:54] And that's how you've been,
a slave to this.
[17:58] Like, you watched
the video once,
[18:01] and then you did this.
[18:04] Now, on the screen,
were those real animals
[18:09] -or was that a movie?
-It was a movie.
[18:11] So, you've never been to the slaughter--
Have you been to the slaughter?
[18:14] -I haven't.
-You've never been.
[18:16] I've never seen
an animal killed, I think.
[18:21] So, it's when you get clear,
take a trip, see what you're up against.
[18:28] Head on.
[18:30] If you wanna change it.
[18:33] Talk to the people there,
do your research.
[18:37] Because you just can't come in with,
"This is unfair!"
[18:41] Well, you know--
[18:43] That's really true.
And I actually--
[18:46] Because of The Work, I did
something similar earlier this year.
[18:53] There is a big,
sort of a natural park in Holland,
[18:58] and it is designed
for animals to be wild,
[19:02] which is really unusual,
[19:04] because nothing
is wild in Holland.
[19:06] So, basically they, yeah--
[19:09] They put a big fence
around an area
[19:12] and they've just
put in animals,
[19:16] and sort of let them
go free and wild
[19:20] and not take care of them.
[19:21] And there was a lot of--
[19:24] First of all,
everybody was happy about it
[19:26] and we made
a movie about it
[19:27] and we felt proud that we had
something wild in Holland,
[19:30] and it was magical.
[19:31] And then,
there was this political party,
[19:33] which really gets
on my nerves--
[19:39] that decided that
[19:42] we should make it more--
[19:44] that, literally, that animals are there--
that nature is there for people.
[19:49] So, it should be open for people
[19:51] and there should be paths
for cycling and walking
[19:54] and, alright, and half of the
deer and horses should be shot.
[20:01] And this was on the news,
[20:03] and I got this, you know,
the same, like, crazy thing.
[20:07] And, luckily, thanks to you,
I, sort of in a--
[20:13] moment of clarity
to do a Worksheet on it.
[20:16] And I had all these thoughts
about this area,
[20:19] and I'd never been there.
[20:21] And I'd never been.
[20:23] I knew all the answers
and, you know, every--
[20:26] And, then, I was like,
well, I kind of, "I've never been there."
[20:29] So, I went there.
[20:32] And it was kind of weird.
[20:37] Like, all the animals
were starving.
[20:40] And it was kind of weird.
[20:43] But it was so hard
for me, Katie, to--
[20:49] sort of open to the idea
[20:51] that this crazy political party
might be, like, a little bit right.
[20:56] Or, at least,
I wasn't assured anymore.
[21:00] It was really sort of--
It was really a--
[21:04] -It opened your eyes.
-It did.
[21:08] So, we rally
and we fight and we rally
[21:12] and we don't even know
what we're talking about.
[21:16] Right, I know--
[21:17] -And we really believe we do.
(-I know.)
[21:23] How are we so sure
we know what's true?
[21:31] Past/future,
past/future, past/future.
[21:38] So, stabilize it,
just like you did there, in reality.
[21:44] OK. So, mmm--
[21:47] So, let's just try
this one on, OK?
[21:50] "I don't want
the meat industry to"--
[21:55] "be revealed
[21:57] as a shameful industry"--
[22:00] "as we now look back
at the slave industry."
[22:05] Or, "I don't want the meat industry
to be revealed as an industry as shameful"--
[22:13] That's--
[22:14] Well, I know one.
[22:18] And that is as long--
But that feels really like, uugh--
[22:24] OK. So, look at this.
[22:28] "I want you to wake up
to how shameful you are!"
[22:34] Right.
[22:36] "Because that really is
the way to wake up!"
[22:40] "Just shame yourselves awake!"
[22:43] "And then take on
the the meat industry!"
[22:47] Go shame them
[22:48] and see how far you get.
I think it will be fairly equal.
[22:53] So, "I want the meat industry
to be revealed as a shameful industry."
[23:02] Is it true?
Is that the way?
[23:06] No, that's not the way.
[23:09] And now notice
how you've lived your life,
[23:13] believing the thought that--
[23:17] "It's wrong
and everybody's wrong."
[23:29] And that's pretty lonely.
[23:36] Right.
[23:37] And then it's really old.
[23:39] And it's hopeless.
[23:41] -It's hopeless.
-Right.
[23:43] It leaves you in a terrible,
[23:47] sick world,
[23:54] with no choices--
[23:57] -No way out.
-Right.
[24:05] It's just not productive.
[24:07] So, who would you be,
right here, right now,
[24:12] without the thought,
[24:14] "I want the meat industry--
[24:20] to be ashamed of themselves"?
[24:27] "Or to be seen as shameful"?
[24:39] My first thought is,
"I'd be fine."
[24:42] But there's
this very old conditioning,
[24:45] and this goes back to
as long as I can remember--
[24:50] And I know this is irrational.
[24:53] But it's like,
if I relax, if I relax--
[24:59] then it's OK for--
[25:04] for all of that to happen.
Like, if I relax, I don't--
[25:08] I condone.
[25:12] And I know that's--
[25:14] That you're moving
into just a low of acceptance--
[25:18] -Right.
-And--
[25:20] Loving everybody,
"loving what is."
[25:22] And then you'll be
like the rest of us.
[25:26] (laughter from the audience)
[25:30] Shameful.
[25:31] (laughter from the audience)
[25:39] I know.
[25:41] So, "I want the meat industry
to be revealed
[25:45] as something
to be ashamed of"
[25:51] Try "I don't want"--
[25:53] "I don't want the meat industry
to be revealed
[25:57] as something
we should be ashamed of."
[26:01] OK. Now, why is that wiser?
[26:07] If you're going to make change,
[26:11] if you're really gonna make change,
that is, if you really care about this issue--
[26:16] Right.
[26:19] why is this a better strategy
to start with?
[26:32] It's like, you don't--
[26:34] You can threaten or anger yourself
out of something for a little while,
[26:40] but I feel that, like,
real change comes from--
[26:44] -Power.
-Right, right.
[26:47] -Clarity is power.
-Right.
[26:49] -Wisdom is power.
-Right.
[26:59] Also--
[27:03] if you approach them wisely,
whether it's editorially or--
[27:12] one-on-one occasions,
[27:15] when you approach them,
if there is a hint of shame,
[27:21] if you put a hint of shame
on them, you've lost it.
[27:26] Yeah.
[27:27] -I've noticed.
-Yeah.
[27:32] Right. And it also doesn't,
I mean, it doesn't--
[27:36] It doesn't feel true--
[27:38] -anymore, but it's just a--
-Those thoughts--
[27:43] -It's really a stronghold of my identity.
-Yeah.
[27:53] So--
[27:55] I would like that we make a date
for tomorrow morning
[27:59] to meet here
and continue this.
[28:02] -Is that good with you?
-That would be wonderful.
[28:04] -Good.
-Thank you.
[28:06] Yeah, I love that dream.
[28:10] -Me too.
-Me too. OK. OK.
[28:15] Let's go back
to the meat industry.
[28:20] So--
[28:23] To finish off "the wants,"
there's one more turn around.
[28:27] Try it, "I want,"
[28:29] even though we did it.
[28:31] "I want my thinking
to be revealed as an industry"--
[28:39] -It's like, this is your life.
-Mmm.
[28:42] "as an industry as shameful
as I now look back
[28:48] at the slave
[28:51] that I've been to that,
[28:54] that industry."
[28:57] That's, yeah--
That fits.
[29:02] -Yeah, OK.
-That fits.
[29:04] So, let's look
at the next one.
[29:10] It's so much fun sitting with you.
I love your socks!
[29:13] Thank you.
[29:14] (laughter from the audience)
[29:16] -Me too.
-And your hair.
[29:19] I just love your jeans.
[29:27] And your teeth
are just brilliant.
[29:31] Huh!
[29:32] How to go on now?
[29:36] Thank you.
[29:42] The--
[29:44] So, this is 3.
"The meat industry should--
[29:48] wake up to the fact that
animals are sentient, too."
[29:54] "The meat ind"--
[29:55] -"Are sentien--"?
-Too.
[29:59] Sentient too.
[30:00] As well, like they're sent--
[30:03] Animals are sentient too,
like humans--
[30:08] beings.
[30:09] -Oh, sentient beings. Oh, OK.
-Right.
[30:14] So, "Animals are sentient beings."
[30:18] Is it true?
[30:20] What's a sentient being?
[30:23] What is "sentient"?
[30:26] -What is "sentient" to you?
-That's capable of--
[30:32] I'd almost say of having
an inner world and feelings.
[30:36] Good, good.
[30:37] But I'm not sure if that's
what the dictionary would say.
[30:40] Well, let's go with it,
because that's what you're holding.
[30:42] Right.
[30:43] What's important
is what you're holding.
[30:45] Right.
[30:45] And, also, it's really good
to keep a dictionary handy.
[30:50] And you have them
on your iPhones.
[30:52] And to test what
you're thinking and believing
[30:55] to see if the word
is even correct.
[31:00] Mm-hmm--
[31:01] And, sometimes,
it won't matter,
[31:03] because
you're coming from
[31:06] the meaning
you've put on it,
[31:08] which is valuable,
which is what we're dealing with.
[31:12] So, to me, it's also
about not being machines--
[31:17] -That they're, yes--
-Right?
[31:19] Like, that's also
in it for me.
[31:21] -That they have feelings--
-Right.
[31:24] -That they have--
-Social lives.
[31:28] So, mmm--
[31:31] "Animals are sentient beings."
[31:35] Is that true?
[31:39] This is a difficult question
for an animal lover,
[31:43] but not for someone
that really wants to know the truth,
[31:51] to really consider it.
[31:54] Can you absolutely know
that it's true that animals are--?
[31:58] No.
[32:01] What does that feel like?
[32:06] Humbling.
[32:12] Yeah. That, as Leonard Cohen would say,
that's, you know, that's "a crack",
[32:20] there's a huge "crack in everything".
And he says, "That's how the light gets in."
[32:26] -That's quite a--
-Yes.
[32:28] Quite something to entertain.
[32:33] Yes.
[32:35] So, how do you react
when you think the thought,
[32:41] "Animals are sentient beings,"
and you think of the meat industry,
[32:46] and how they kill animals,
how they slaughter.
[32:53] I get--
[32:58] I get very--
[33:01] I'd say violence,
violent, anger, angry.
[33:05] And also overcome
with this sense of being powerless,
[33:12] being unable to do--
[33:14] Like, the magnitude of it,
it's just--
[33:17] But, mostly, anger.
[33:20] -And we give up on the human race.
-Right. And I--
[33:25] I mean, it's kind
of ridiculous, in a way,
[33:28] but it's true that,
for example, now, in summer,
[33:32] when everybody's barbecuing,
like I have really a hard time--
[33:40] that has such an image
of fun and carefree,
[33:44] and I smell,
[33:47] you know, I smell
dead bodies being roasted.
[33:51] Yeah.
[33:53] So, that's not--
[33:55] And it's not just
the dead bodies being roasted.
[33:58] It is the slaughter--
[34:00] Right.
[34:01] it's all the hurt.
[34:03] Right.
[34:04] I mean, that's unsustainable.
[34:08] -Yes.
-That's kind of crazy in a way.
[34:11] I see that that's crazy,
but it's there.
[34:14] It's not so crazy.
[34:15] How many of you experienced this
at one time or another?
[34:20] See, that's not crazy.
[34:23] -That's--
-Wow.
[34:25] No one--
[34:28] wants to even think about
[34:31] how horrible that is.
[34:33] No one.
[34:34] There are no lines standing up
to take a cruise through the slaughterhouse.
[34:46] We don't want to think about it.
[34:51] And when we're barbecuing, we don't.
[34:55] Right.
[34:57] We can't.
We don't.
[35:01] But it really undermines
my connection with--
[35:08] I mean, my neighbors,
if they're barbecuing.
[35:11] I make them into these,
you know, unreal--
[35:14] You make them
into less sensitive than you are.
[35:18] Yes.
[35:20] You're up here,
they're down there.
[35:22] You are conscious,
they're unconscious.
[35:26] Yeah.
[35:27] They're laughing
and you're suffering.
[35:29] Yeah.
[35:32] -Closing the windows.
-Closing the windows.
[35:37] So, now--
[35:42] Who would you be without the thought,
"Animals are sentient beings too"?
[35:48] Now, I'm going to invite you
to The Work, the same Work that I did.
[35:53] OK?
[35:54] So, close your eyes.
[35:59] Now, you see
the YouTube thing
[36:02] where the animals were being
slaughtered that you saw?
[36:06] -You see that?
-Mm-hmm.
[36:09] OK. So--
[36:12] Who would you be without the thought,
"Animals are sentient beings"?
[36:17] Now, be one of those animals
going through slaughter,
[36:24] as you see it,
[36:26] all the way.
[36:31] And I invite you all
to meditate into whatever--
[36:38] horror you perceived that to be,
as one of those sentient beings.
[36:54] And continue to do it,
[36:57] continue to be there,
as that animal, until--
[37:02] you're OK with it.
[37:23] Exactly what you saw
[37:28] as one of those,
[37:31] until not only
are you OK with it,
[37:38] you are a sentient
being there for others,
[37:48] for the human race.
[37:53] For all that's beautiful.
[38:15] I am OK with it.
[38:18] I'm OK with it,
because it feels--
[38:21] like I have this sense
this is only happening to me.
[38:25] It's a lot of confusion, and--
[38:32] and not knowing
what's happening.
[38:36] But I have no story about,
I have no story about it.
[38:42] So, I'm just--
And I can't imagine how that would--
[38:44] I mean, it's hard
for me to imagine
[38:46] how that must be,
because I'm such a--
[38:50] human.
[38:53] -But if I--
-Or maybe--
[38:57] As a human, you seem
to be doing really well
[39:00] with going
into that slaughter.
[39:03] And being slaughtered.
[39:07] And it felt like
it just contrasts so--
[39:10] it really contrasts with--
[39:13] having, you know,
that whole burden of, like,
[39:18] all my fellow pigs,
[39:21] "Why is this happening to us?"
[39:25] But I'm just imagining,
[39:28] I'm just imagining--
[39:30] pigs not having
that capability,
[39:33] but I'm actually not sure
about that.
[39:36] Just go in
with your own consciousness.
[39:45] Well, and also,
the experience is so intense
[39:48] that I don't have a lot of time
to think about anything.
[39:53] So, it's just--
[39:55] You know,
an overwhelming--
[40:01] thing that's happening to me.
[40:03] There is nothing
that is not here to serve.
[40:08] So, go back
[40:13] and continue
to be that service.
[40:16] Sentient
[40:19] being.
[41:04] I get this sense of--
[41:08] Again, it's just such
an overwhelming--
[41:12] experience
[41:17] to be there, that there's
just not a lot of room for--
[41:24] anything else.
[41:30] And also there's
really no other option,
[41:35] other than
to go through it,
[41:42] which is--
[41:59] sort of weirdly reassuring.
[42:29] -You're OK?
-I'm OK.
[42:31] Yeah.
[42:33] "The meat industry
should wake up to the fact
[42:35] that the animals
are sentient beings too."
[42:40] Turned around, "I"--
[42:42] "I should wake up to the fact
that human beings are sentient too."
[42:46] "That I am"--
[42:47] -"that I should wake up to the fact that I"--
-"that I am sentient too."
[42:52] "That I, as an animal,
[42:56] am a sentient being too."
[43:05] That's a good one.
[43:07] It's an excellent one.
[43:11] If you wanted to teach the human race
the horrors of being asleep,
[43:18] would you be that service?
[43:23] Yes.
[43:36] They're certainly
waking you up.
[43:42] And a lot of hands
in this room went up.
[43:48] If you knew who and what
you really were,
[43:52] if the human race
needed to be shown,
[43:58] you wouldn't hesitate to rip off
your own arm and give it to them.
[44:03] Sentient being.
[44:23] One is awake,
one is asleep.
[44:27] To assume animals are asleep,
[44:31] or to assume anyone
in the world is asleep,
[44:34] other than you,
is arrogant.
[44:43] When--
[44:45] we look out
and judge people,
[44:48] companies, animals,
as anything--
[44:52] Until we understand them,
we cannot understand ourselves.
[44:56] Sentient beings.
[45:01] And there's no rest
until that's realized.
[45:04] Little rest.
[45:06] But the ego
never sleeps, you know?
[45:11] OK, precious,
let's look at 4.
[45:18] "I need the meat industry
to start to listen to scientific research
[45:22] that shows that eating animals
is no longer necessary nor moral."
[45:30] I have more, but--
[45:31] "The meat industry
should make a shift"--
[45:34] So, let’s wait for (the interpreter)--
[45:38] So, you need--
[45:42] -Read it again, so we’ll get it all down--
-Right.
[45:44] "I need the meat industry to"--
[45:46] "the meat industry to start
to listen to scientific research
[45:49] So, let's slow down,
"scientific research"--
[45:53] "that shows that eating animals
is no longer necessary nor moral--
[46:06] because there are so many
other sources of protein."
[46:13] And also, in the scientific research,
there's all this stuff about animals
[46:21] being
[46:23] mmm--
[46:25] a lot like us, actually,
[46:27] in their behavior
and in their emotional lives and--
[46:30] -Yes.
-That kind of stuff.
[46:32] But we're assuming
they're unenlightened.
[46:35] -I'm sorry, what's that?
-I'm assuming they're unenlightened.
[46:37] Right.
[46:38] So, it's putting your own identity
onto sentient beings.
[46:44] Mmm--
[46:48] You're at war
with sentient beings.
[46:55] Sentient beings,
for all you know.
[46:57] But the only way I know to understand
is to be the slaughtered.
[47:06] Or to meditate on that moment
in time of the slaughter,
[47:12] until I understand.
[47:19] I was in a public discussion,
recently, with hunters,
[47:25] a roomful of hunters.
[47:26] And they were all very nice people,
which was really confusing.
[47:31] (laughter from the audience)
[47:34] And one of them actually
invited me to go hunting with him.
[47:40] And I told him that, I mean--
[47:43] that "That doesn't seem
like a fun day out to me at all."
[47:49] And I told him that
if there wasn't any bigger purpose,
[47:54] other than, you know,
like making a documentary out of it,
[47:57] or some kind of way
we could broadcast that situation,
[48:01] I wouldn't do it,
because I didn't see any reason
[48:07] for that.
[48:10] And that makes me--
[48:13] What you just said
makes me think of that.
[48:16] And also--
[48:18] what you said yesterday,
about actually--
[48:22] going to the slaughterhouse.
[48:34] And, even though,
you know, that's sort of--
[48:39] the last thing I wanna do--
[48:43] I do see how that would be--
[48:48] you know, sensible and fair
[48:57] At worst, it would give you
another Worksheet.
[49:00] At best, it would give you
another Worksheet.
[49:11] "You need to be happy,
[49:13] you need the meat industry
to start to listen to scientific research
[49:20] that shows that eating animals
is no longer necessary nor moral."
[49:28] So, for that reason,
[49:31] "You need the meat industry
to listen to scientific research"--
[49:37] -For me to be happy?
-For you to be happy.
[49:40] No.
[49:50] -That's a--
[49:51] -It's easier.
-"No" is a big answer.
[49:59] So, "You need the meat industry
[50:02] to listen to
scientific research."
[50:06] That specific research.
[50:09] How do you react, what happens,
when you believe the thought?
[50:13] I feel, I feel--
[50:16] Before you can feel, you have
to see images of past/future.
[50:20] So, notice how the mind reacts
when you think the thought,
[50:26] "The meat industry needs
to listen to scientific research."
[50:29] It's like, I wanna slap, you know?
I wanna--
[50:35] I wanna slap
all the meat industry.
[50:38] And, to me,
consumers are part of that.
[50:41] I would just wanna slap them
in the face with all these--
[50:45] So, you see an image of them
in your head,
[50:50] of the future.
[50:52] And you see you
just slapping them, convincing them.
[50:56] -Right.
-OK?
[50:58] Yes, the sense of, like--
[51:01] Right--
[51:03] That righteous, "I-know" mind
to these very dense people.
[51:12] And then, you see images of a past
of all those animals being slaughtered.
[51:19] So, you have that and then you have this
and you're justified over here--
[51:25] Yes, very much.
[51:27] Looking down on them,
[51:30] in a shaming kind of way.
[51:35] OK?
[51:37] So, you see those images
and then you feel.
[51:41] You understand?
[51:43] That past/future is always going.
You can't believe what you think, otherwise.
[51:49] You see images,
past/future,
[51:52] you believe your thoughts
on to them,
[51:58] the words on to them,
[52:01] and you see that
in your mind's eye
[52:04] and, then, while you're
entertaining that movie,
[52:09] that is the cause
of your emotions.
[52:14] So, then you feel.
[52:20] I mean, just aggression.
[52:23] Yeah, you become aggressive.
[52:26] Yes.
[52:28] And it's this aggression that--
[52:33] I feel--
[52:35] it's not only
in this area but--
[52:39] like this aggression,
this aggressiveness I get
[52:42] when I feel
that people are ignoring facts.
[52:46] Like, that is just sort of
this whole pedestal of righteousness.
[52:51] Like, it's not just
that I feel that way, but it's like,
[52:57] tchh-tchh, you know?
[53:00] So, that really emblazes this--
[53:04] So, you become a radical.
[53:10] I feel radically right.
[53:13] Yes.
[53:14] -A radical.
-Right.
[53:20] All radicals feel right.
[53:21] (laughs from the audience)
[53:24] -Good point.
-Yeah.
[53:26] You can be right and wise,
or right and radical.
[53:34] One, we can hear
[53:37] and learn from.
[53:39] The other we shut down,
[53:42] we lock up.
[53:48] And that's perfect.
[53:51] Those of us
that are radical like that,
[53:57] when they lock us up
it gives us time to consider.
[54:02] Or we become more radical
and more bitter.
[54:06] So, I love that
we can do this from here.
[54:11] The life of a radical--
[54:13] is--
[54:16] it's painful,
[54:18] it's lonely--
[54:20] Right.
[54:23] It's so hurtful
[54:26] to your life--
[54:28] and welfare.
[54:30] Mm-hmm, definitely.
[54:31] -You're in a slaughterhouse.
-Right.
[54:33] And, also, I honestly
don't like that part of me.
[54:39] -I mean it's not--
-You're lost.
[54:41] You don't know
what else to do.
[54:46] Anything less than that
[54:48] feels like you're just succumbing,
like the rest of them,
[54:57] which is something, maybe, you've sworn
you would never let happen to you.
[55:08] "I need the meat industry
to start to listen to scientific research
[55:14] that shows that eating animals
is no longer necessary nor moral."
[55:20] Turn around.
[55:23] "I need me"--
[55:24] "I need me
to start to listen to"--
[55:26] "scientific research"--
[55:29] "that shows that"--
[55:31] -"eating animals"--
-"animals is necessary and moral."
[55:40] To some of us.
[55:45] -Yeah.
-To some of us.
[55:46] I know them.
[55:48] -I have--
-But if you're asleep,
[55:52] you can under--
[55:53] in some areas, you can understand
why we're asleep in some areas.
[56:01] But I also know people who,
like me,
[56:05] really hold that as a real part
of their belief system.
[56:16] I can kind of understand
why they--
[56:20] -Eat meat.
-I don't agree with it, but--
[56:25] I understand, I mean,
it's a conscious thing for them--
[56:29] -To eat meat.
-Right, yeah.
[56:37] I'm not sure if there's a lot of scientific
research that would back it up but--
[56:40] Oh, go to the Internet.
[56:44] Just search--
[56:52] --what's the word?--
"advantages" of eating meat.
[56:57] Great.
[56:58] And then look at
all the scientific studies.
[57:02] It's all there.
[57:06] It's nothing that,
maybe, you would believe,
[57:09] and a lot to contemplate,
[57:12] but--
[57:14] Right.
[57:20] -So, "I need me"--
-Right.
[57:22] "to start to listen to scientific
research on the internet
[57:28] that shows that eating animals
[57:31] is necessary"--
[57:33] -and moral.
-"and moral."
[57:35] -So, start doing your research.
-Mm-hmm.
[57:39] Because if you visit
a slaughterhouse,
[57:44] they're gonna give you
all that research,
[57:46] if you're not so radical
that you're really listening.
[57:50] And I see you
as a good listener.
[57:53] But they're going to want
to give you all that research
[57:56] and you're going to be
caught up.
[57:59] So, you're gonna be
on the same page.
[58:02] You're gonna have
an understanding there--
[58:05] that will--
[58:10] You understand?
[58:15] I don't want to be at war
with what people say.
[58:19] I want to be awake to what
they're thinking and believing and why.
[58:25] Because, in a conversation like that
when I'm holding my own values,
[58:31] there's power.
[58:33] It's true.
[58:35] -OK?
-Yes.
[58:36] That way,
[58:39] I don't shame myself,
I don't shame them,
[58:41] I don't shame animals.
[58:47] Yeah.
[58:48] Research, research, research.
[58:50] In other words,
education, education,
[58:52] if you're going
to take this on.
[58:55] Be as wise about
the advantages of meat as they are.
[58:59] Mm-hmm.
[59:01] Otherwise you're cheating yourself
and you're cheating animals.
[59:04] -Yeah.
-If this is your cause.
[59:19] So, I have one.
Would you like to hear it?
[59:21] Very much.
[59:29] "I don't need the meat industry
[59:32] to start listening
[59:35] to scientific research
[59:39] that shows
that not eating animals--
[59:49] that eating animals is no
longer necessary or moral,"
[59:54] because they're going
to have you,
[59:57] educated you.
[1:00:01] And that doesn't mean
they're gonna stop.
[1:00:06] But that's our best.
[1:00:11] And when
we are at our best,
[1:00:15] there's satisfaction
because we know--
[1:00:18] That's it.
But it doesn't stop us.
[1:00:22] We continue to get still
[1:00:26] and to tap into that wisdom
that goes beyond anger
[1:00:31] and righteous justification.
[1:00:38] "You need them
to make a shift."
[1:00:41] Turn it around.
[1:00:43] "I need to make a shift."
[1:00:48] -Yeah.
-Yes.
[1:00:49] From seeing them
not as an enemy,
[1:00:53] but as someone
[1:01:00] worthy of--
[1:01:05] someone--
[1:01:08] -Right. As someone--
-that doesn't need to make a shift.
[1:01:19] Yeah.
[1:01:20] Mm-hmm, yeah--
[1:01:21] There's nothing
more powerful than wisdom.
[1:01:24] Let's look at the next one.
[1:01:28] "The meat industry
is cruel, unethical,
[1:01:32] unrealistic,
[1:01:35] unsustainable,
[1:01:37] a waking nightmare,
[1:01:40] a collective cultural shadow."
[1:01:50] So, would you read it again?
"The meat industry is cruel,
[1:01:54] unethical,
[1:01:57] unrealistic,
[1:01:59] unsustainable"--
[1:02:01] So, you have your answer
and unsustainable.
[1:02:06] It will come to an end.
[1:02:11] Done.
[1:02:23] I'm just imagining the state
of the world when that happens, but--
[1:02:28] Well, you want it stopped.
[1:02:31] Right, yeah.
[1:02:33] -It's unsustainable.
-Yeah.
[1:02:38] And I do--
[1:02:42] not only believe,
but, also,
[1:02:45] when I look back historically to things,
I do feel confident that it's--
[1:02:54] moving in the right direction,
meaning, my direction, in this case,
[1:02:59] which is always
the right direction, obviously, but--
[1:03:05] but I--
[1:03:08] So, "When it comes to the meat industry,
my thoughts about the meat industry are"--
[1:03:15] "my thoughts about the meat
industry are cruel, unethical,
[1:03:19] unrealistic, unsustainable,
[1:03:23] a waking nightmare
[1:03:27] and a collective
cultural shadow."
[1:03:36] Definitely.
[1:03:41] So it's as though
you're one of those--
[1:03:45] one of those animals
on the conveyor belt, just--
[1:03:58] Let's look
at the next one.
[1:04:00] So, my--
[1:04:02] Did--
Yeah, let's look at the next one.
[1:04:05] "I don't ever want to see animals
being tortured, separated,
[1:04:12] transported
in unacceptable ways,
[1:04:15] murdered for our ignorant
few moments of sensatory pleasure."
[1:04:23] OK. So--
[1:04:25] "I don't ever want
to see animals separated."
[1:04:28] Mm-hmm.
[1:04:29] What does that
have to do with--
[1:04:35] that part
of your mind?
[1:04:37] What do you think,
what do you see in your mind's eye,
[1:04:40] when you think, "I don't want
animals to be separated"?
[1:04:43] So, I see, for example,
[1:04:47] baby calves,
[1:04:50] baby cows being immediately
separated from their mothers,
[1:04:55] you know, for the milk
and all the kind of stuff,
[1:04:58] and all these ways that their social
structures are being ignored and broken.
[1:05:05] Mmm--
[1:05:07] So, that's what I see
with "separated."
[1:05:11] That's what I meant.
[1:05:15] And do you feel
empathy for the calf?
[1:05:18] Is that any part of it?
[1:05:21] Yeah. It just feels very, again,
unethical to me to separate
[1:05:29] a mother from her baby.
[1:05:32] But, beyond ethics, do you feel
a kind of grief for the--
[1:05:35] -Yeah.
-Good.
[1:05:37] So, again, when you're doing
a Worksheet like this, you do--
[1:05:43] the calf.
[1:05:44] The calf.
[1:05:46] You become the calf.
[1:05:48] And you meditate
as the calf.
[1:05:52] Watching the mother,
being separated.
[1:05:57] And, then, what you're thinking
and believing
[1:05:59] about how you need
your mother,
[1:06:03] that's a Worksheet.
[1:06:07] And it's not done
until you're comfortable in that,
[1:06:11] in being separated.
[1:06:14] And then, you may better understand
the mind of an enlightened animal.
[1:06:22] Because you become one.
[1:06:29] So, "I'm willing to"--
[1:06:33] "I'm willing to see animals
being tortured, separated,
[1:06:39] transported
in unacceptable ways,
[1:06:42] and murdered for our ignorant few
moments of sensatory pleasure."
[1:06:48] "I look forward to"--
[1:06:53] "I look forward to
animals being tortured,
[1:06:56] separated, transported
in unacceptable ways
[1:07:01] and murdered for our ignorant few
moments of sensory pleasure."
[1:07:11] If you--
[1:07:14] If you really sit in this Work,
and you go to a slaughterhouse,
[1:07:18] and you're educated,
[1:07:20] and as up-to-date
as you can possibly be
[1:07:24] with how they see it
and how they condone it,
[1:07:30] it can be
one powerful little--
[1:07:36] You are what we've got.
[1:07:40] You are what we've got.
[1:07:41] And thank you for your passion
and your enlightenment.
[1:07:47] Thank you.
[1:07:49] So, let's get some feedback.
[1:08:06] I felt everything the same,
[1:08:08] and it could as well
have been my Worksheet.
[1:08:11] And I've done The Work on it
many, many times.
[1:08:15] But it doesn't stick,
[1:08:17] because I'm so afraid that
if I really see it as the illusion,
[1:08:22] that I'm abandoning
the animals,
[1:08:26] that I'm just as guilty.
[1:08:27] Do you see her
abandoning the cause?
[1:08:31] -No.
-I don't either.
[1:08:33] And when you said,
[1:08:35] like the meditation,
"become the animal,"
[1:08:38] I became or I envisioned
being an animal being skinned alive,
[1:08:43] as I've seen in videos.
[1:08:45] And it took a while,
[1:08:48] but then, I could feel
[1:08:51] the inside of the animal.
[1:08:53] It was so peaceful,
[1:08:55] and such a big love.
[1:08:57] And, first,
I felt such a contrast
[1:08:59] to the horrible person
I've been for the past 20 years,
[1:09:03] because I feel like I have to shame
people, I have to judge them.
[1:09:06] Otherwise,
I'd be abandoning them.
[1:09:08] So, that felt like
such a contrast.
[1:09:12] -And when I let that love sink in--
-So, let's slow down for the interpreters.
[1:09:15] Sorry, yes.
[1:09:18] And as I felt like,
being that animal,
[1:09:22] as I let that love sink in,
[1:09:26] it was as if it was saying to me,
"It's OK to let it go."
[1:09:34] Like, as if I was
granted permission
[1:09:37] to let go of this burden
[1:09:40] that I have to make people
more aware,
[1:09:43] that I have to judge them.
[1:09:45] That's like,
that I have to do that.
[1:09:47] It felt like I was being given
the permission.
[1:09:51] And the reassurance
that it was OK.
[1:09:57] And I can still feel
that those underlying beliefs, like--
[1:10:03] "If I accept this,
then I'm doing the same,"
[1:10:07] I feel they're still present,
[1:10:09] but I now have this exercise
to go back to.
[1:10:12] Katie: Yes, you do.
[1:10:13] And I'm also from Holland,
[1:10:16] and maybe we can go together
to the slaughterhouse.
[1:10:19] Yeeeh--
[1:10:21] I would never thought
I would have said that.
[1:10:25] -So, thank you so much.
-Thank you.
[1:10:28] You know, self-realization,
in my experience,
[1:10:33] has no value until it's lived.
[1:10:39] And so, it's a privilege
to witness both of you.
[1:10:46] Thank you.
[1:10:48] Because we wake up--
[1:11:00] enlightenment--
[1:11:07] is completely user-friendly.
[1:11:11] We don't become complacent in it,
as you speak so clearly to.
[1:11:21] The freer we get--
It's like, our values don't shift.
[1:11:29] Our values don't shift.
[1:11:33] It's just that
we're no longer at war
[1:11:37] with anyone or anything,
because we understand.
[1:11:43] And we understand,
because we were radical
[1:11:48] for all we know, and hateful
and shaming than they are.
[1:11:56] I don't know--
[1:11:58] but that much of it in me
is too much.
[1:12:02] Because I have Work to do
and that's gonna stop me.
[1:12:07] It's gonna slow me down.
[1:12:11] It's unnecessary
to the enlightened mind.
[1:12:20] Yes.
[1:12:26] I have a dog,
which I like very much.
[1:12:30] And she's very old
and the veterinarian doctor said
[1:12:35] she should get meat
from the slaughterhouse.
[1:12:40] And the slaughterhouse
in my city, for me,
[1:12:44] is like an area
of concentration camp.
[1:12:49] And I went there by car,
singing mantras, crying.
[1:12:56] And in the radio
there was also polka music.
[1:13:03] And I came there and they prepared it
for dogs and other animals,
[1:13:08] the rest of the bones
and these little pieces,
[1:13:12] and you can get them
very cheap.
[1:13:16] And I went inside,
[1:13:20] and there are lots
of refugees, like Africans,
[1:13:25] people who have not much money.
[1:13:28] And they go
to this place to buy meat.
[1:13:32] Every second sentence was from
Muslim persons, “No pork? No pork?”.
[1:13:41] The slaughter person
at the castle,
[1:13:51] he was very proud.
[1:13:56] For me, it was like,
[1:14:00] they are celebrating Christmas.
[1:14:04] There was a feeling
in the air of celebration.
[1:14:09] And I noticed,
and it made me humble.
[1:14:15] And I went back in my car
with the meat for my dog.
[1:14:24] And I go there more
often times now, to get this.
[1:14:29] And, again and again,
[1:14:31] I see their celebration
and there's also happiness.
[1:14:39] I don't eat meat,
I don't want to eat meat,
[1:14:45] but for the animals
who died,
[1:14:51] this party, afterwards,
this celebration, this--
[1:14:55] I can't express
how proud the people are,
[1:14:59] and how happy
they are to get the meat.
[1:15:02] The Africans
counting their money,
[1:15:04] "Oh, I get this amount
of meat, there."
[1:15:07] They're proud.
It's very impressive.
[1:15:16] Education.
[1:15:21] Education.
[1:15:23] Yes.
[1:15:28] German, "Deutsch".
[1:15:34] (in German)
[1:15:39] Many thanks for your Worksheet I think
I could have written that, very similarly.
[1:15:46] (in German)
[1:15:51] And maybe I'm even more crazy
than you because I do eat meat.
[1:15:56] (in German)
[1:16:04] And, recently,
in my work situation,
[1:16:06] I noticed that one of my customers
is a hunter.
[1:16:11] (in German)
[1:16:21] And recently I asked him,
quite inquiringly,
[1:16:26] what is it like to be a hunter
and to go hunting.
[1:16:30] (in German)
[1:16:33] And I just sat
and listened.
[1:16:36] (in German)
[1:16:43] I was very impressed by the normality
and the "It's-OK" attitude.
[1:16:49] (in German)
[1:16:57] And also by the very, very big respect
that he has for the animal.
[1:17:04] (in German)
[1:17:09] And now I think I'm going to call him
and go with him on hunt, maybe.
[1:17:15] (in German)
[1:17:16] Many, many thanks.
[1:17:20] Yes.
[1:17:23] (in French)
[1:17:28] I haven't been eating meat
for many years and I'm allergic.
[1:17:32] (in French)
[1:17:34] Allergic to anything
that may happen in slaughterhouses.
[1:17:39] (in French)
[1:17:43] And for many years I tried
to convince people by doing war,
[1:17:48] (in French)
[1:17:50] without knowing
that I was at war.
[1:17:52] (in French)
[1:17:58] I tried to make them feel guilty.
I was manipulative about it.
[1:18:03] (in French)
[1:18:09] And not so long ago, I was invited
by one of my aunts for a meal.
[1:18:14] (in French)
[1:18:20] So, I went to a farm.
And in my family, we kill.
[1:18:25] (in French)
[1:18:31] So, she cooked a leg of lamb
and I wasn't able to eat any of it.
[1:18:40] (in French)
[1:18:42] She gave me a hard time
because I didn't eat any of it--
[1:18:46] (in French)
[1:18:50] and because I didn't want
to put gravy on my potatoes.
[1:18:54] (in French)
[1:19:00] So, we had an argument.
I went home,
[1:19:04] (in French)
[1:19:06] I wrote a Judge-Your-Neighbor
Worksheet.
[1:19:08] (in French)
[1:19:15] I saw that,
for many years,
[1:19:17] I was waging the exact,
same war, but in the other position.
[1:19:24] (in French)
[1:19:31] I can't go into a slaughterhouse.
That, I'm not able to, that's where it stops.
[1:19:37] (in French)
[1:19:44] I often have visitors in my house
and now I'm able to cook dishes with love.
[1:19:51] (in French)
[1:20:02] Those dishes are meatless,
[1:20:04] however I don't try to demonstrate
or teach anything with them.
[1:20:08] (in French)
[1:20:13] This is how I contribute.
I give without putting meat in them.
[1:20:19] (in French)
[1:20:26] And I show my relatives,
[1:20:28] my friends, that it's possible
to eat without adding animal protein,
[1:20:35] (in French)
[1:20:43] without putting
animal corpses in the food.
[1:20:46] (in French)
[1:20:51] This is how
I found peace within me.
[1:20:59] So, I did this Work that--
[1:21:09] that I see is
The Work you're doing.
[1:21:14] And, as you were talking,
[1:21:18] it just occurred to me that--
[1:21:23] I don't eat meat.
[1:21:26] And I've never,
[1:21:30] to my mind,
[1:21:33] ever said anything to my children
or grandchildren about that.
[1:21:37] I just don't eat meat.
[1:21:41] And as you were talking,
it occurred to me that,
[1:21:44] of five grandchildren
[1:21:49] --I think this is correct--
four of them are vegan.
[1:21:56] and--
[1:21:58] two of my children
don't eat meat.
[1:22:04] And I've never said--
It just--
[1:22:12] And I'd love to hear
their experience of it,
[1:22:16] if I have, in fact,
said anything.
[1:22:18] But it's just not like me.
It's enough that I'm aware.
[1:22:25] And so, if I were going
to do a cause
[1:22:30] and start at home,
[1:22:33] and--
[1:22:35] I've done that, and when I look
at you, you've done the same,
[1:22:40] you're living that out,
[1:22:42] you start with--
you don't eat it.
[1:22:46] And then just you have no idea
how many lives you've touched.
[1:22:52] Who knows?
[1:22:55] So--
[1:23:00] Yes.
[1:23:07] (in German)
[1:23:11] (in German)
[1:23:14] I eat meat.
[1:23:15] (in German)
[1:23:18] I eat vegetables.
[1:23:22] (in German)
[1:23:35] Interpreter: Could you say
that again, please?
[1:23:37] (in German)
[1:23:44] And I feel with people
who are being told to hate each other
[1:23:49] and fight against each other.
[1:23:52] (in German)
[1:23:56] I don't know what a cauliflower
feels when I eat it.
[1:24:00] (in German)
[1:24:04] And I don't know what a little calf
feels when it is being killed.
[1:24:10] (in German)
[1:24:15] What I can
see in my experience,
[1:24:18] (in German)
[1:24:28] there's so much love there,
as one of the women said,
[1:24:31] as she moved
into the animal.
[1:24:34] (in German)
[1:24:44] That, with our complicated thinking
we produce a lot of sorrow.
[1:24:50] (in German)
[1:25:00] And that animals
and plants have feelings.
[1:25:03] I do know that, and that they more directly
experience that and love much better than I do.
[1:25:10] (in German)
[1:25:23] So, should I not eat plants anymore?
Should I not eat animals anymore?
[1:25:28] Should I not be with people
that I'm at war?
[1:25:34] I don't know.
[1:25:37] Thank you.
[1:25:40] To assume anything
or anyone is less wise or aware
[1:25:49] as any other human being
is definitely something to look at.